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The divine dance of love
Written by Peter Youngren on November 4th 2010The topic of original sin comes up in the strangest places. On a recent flight I sat beside a devout religious lady, who insisted that sex was the original sin. My protest that sexuality was God’s idea fell on deaf ears. So many of our religious perceptions depend on culture, and religious affiliation. Jews, Muslims, and Hindus all have their own understanding. The concept of sin differs within each religion depending on whether you are an orthodox believer or a liberal adherent. The same goes for Christians. A Catholic has to deal with some “sins” that don’t even make it on the radar screen for Baptists and Pentecostals. Then again, evangelicals have their own sin-lists that Catholics haven’t even heard of. Our convictions will differ depending on whether we were born in Russia, Argentina, Canada or Alabama.
To find the answer, we first look at the question, “who is God”. Is the Almighty a cosmic police officer, focused on human failures, ever ready to catch us in wrongdoing, and nail us for our transgressions? Is God petty, scrutinizing, condescending and small-minded?
The New Testament of the Bible amazingly tells us that God, not only has love; God is love. Love can never be confined to self, which makes the revelation of God as Trinity both necessary and remarkable; Father, Son and Holy Spirit in an eternal mutual love relationship. Love can only be love when it is expressed, and for eternity the Father has loved the Son, and the Son has loved the Father, while the Holy Spirit reflected that love. It is called the divine dance.
God made people to be included in this dance of love. That’s the purpose of life. Sin is not a list of “dos” and “don’ts”; it is missing life’s purpose, not being in the dance. Satan introduced our original parents to the twisted, grotesque idea of a God, who wanted to keep them down, so they wouldn’t become like God. The first humans fell for the temptation to divorce from the God, who is love. Instead of self-realization they experienced self-depreciation. They took matters in their own hands, shaped their own destiny, while separating from their life-source. Our detachment from the God, who loves us unconditionally, is the original sin.
There is nothing we can do in order for God to love us more, or to love us less, because divine love is not based on our performance. His love remains unchanged. The human struggle is rooted in our quest for self-realization and purpose outside of that love. The things we call sins, from murder to gossip, are mere by-products of the real issue, our estrangement from the God of love.
At a recent wedding I sat beside a self-professed atheist, the head of a psychiatric hospital. It didn’t take long for our conversation to turn to God, or at least the idea of God. She made a startling comment; “twenty-five years ago when I started my practice, patients had more religion-related psychiatric problems; people talked a lot more about sins, the Ten Commandments and God. As the influence of organized religion has waned, people have less sin-problems”.
I questioned, if it is not true that whatever we call it, we are dealing with the same underlying issues; shame, guilt, regret. “You are absolutely right”, she responded. We may say, “I have sinned”, or we may put in another way, “I’m haunted by the wrong I have done”. Regardless of how we package our failures, and what we call them, the underlying problem is universal. This is where Jesus comes in. What God did through Jesus is universally applicable. By the sacrifice of Himself, Jesus absorbed the totality of human failure, and on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice, God now invites all into the divine dance of love.
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Hi Pastor Peter Youngren
just want to thank you so very much for your visit to Surrey BC, I was very blessed as you prayed for me. We love you mucho grande and appreciate your faithfulness to the Body of Jesus Christ, i pray that God will manifest His power and love through all you put your hands to in JESUS name and also that your family is blessed, protected, and anointed of God in JESUS name amen we love you THANK YOU
co-worker in JESUS CHRIST
Valentina
Valentina
~ Surrey, British Columbia, Canada
Help me, Peter: you said “on the basis of Jesus’ sacrifice, God now invites all into the divine dance of love.” Apparently, death is not supposed to be a part of that divine dance, because in Romans 8:2 He says “For the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.”
The law of sin and death is stated in Genesis 2:11 and restated in Ezekiel 18:20: “The soul that sins shall die.”
Here’s where I need help: It’s obvious that the penalty for sin is death. But the Good News is that Jesus paid 100% for my sins. So why do I have to die?
Why are we mis-taught that the Lord really didn’t do the job very well, that I still have to die?
In II Timothy 1:10 He tells me our Savior Christ Jesus has ABOLISHED death. If so, why should I believe He has not?
In I John 3:8 He tells me the reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil, which Jesus defined as steal, kill, and destroy. Did He get the job done, or did He fail?
In Hebrews 2:14-15 He tells me the reason Jesus partook of our flesh and blood nature was “that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.”
So did Jesus get the job done, or didn’t he? Am I supposed to give back to the devil the power to kill me, which the Lord paid such a terrible price to take away from him?
In Revelation 1:18 and 3:7 the Author of Life, who never in all the Gospels turned down anyone asking for healing, says that He now has the keys to death and hell; that when He opens no one shuts and when He shuts, no one opens.
In John 11:24-25 He tells Martha, and she has already agreed, about the resurrection: “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live.”
But then He goes on in vs. 26 to state: “and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” Does anybody believe this?
In the entire New Testament there are only 6 ways to get from here to heaven, and dying of disease and old age is not one of them, because of all the above Scriptures. The 6 New Testament options are:
1. The judgment of God, like Ananias and Sapphira in Acts 5.
2. Laying down your life for your friends, like Jesus. Or like Dawson Trotman, founder of Navigators, who dived in the water and saved a friend but when they went to pull him out, he was gone.
3. Martyrdom.
4. Hanging around until He comes.
5. Like Paul in Philippians1:22 where, unless he is lying, claims he has the choice to check out and go to be with the Lord, or to hang around and help the saints awhile longer. He picked this up from Jesus, who said, “No man takes my life from me. I lay it down, I pick it up.”
6. “Many have fallen asleep” from not discerning the body of the Lord in communion.
But no place in the New Testament does it talk about the devil still having the right to place sickness and death on a Christian any longer, nor is there a single reference to such a death.
So help me here, Peter: For two thousand years Christians have been dying of disease and old age for the same reasons and at about the same rate as pagans. So we have bent the above-quoted Scriptures to fit the “facts” instead of using the Scriptures to change the “facts.”
When will we get a generations of Christians who are willing to lay the Scriptures alongside the facts, even if the facts are a corpse or a whole graveyard full of corpses, and it’s not God’ Word which has to run off in defeat, with its tail between its legs.
When are we going to have a generation of Christians who believe all these Scriptures? Peter, doesn’t it have to be this generation, the last generation? Today is the first day of my 80th year, but I cannot possibly believe that it’s time for me to get old and die, because He has promised to renew my youth like the eagle’s.
Yet almost every Christian I meet has to re-interpret all the above plain Scriptures to fit the “facts.” Do you know anyone who truly believes that “Jesus Christ has abolished death!” and “The law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set me free from the law of sin and death.” ? Past tense. HAS set me free!
Jesus died in my place! He paid that terrible price of dying, the Trinity torn apart, the Father forsaking the Son, He who knew no sin BECOMING sin for us, suffering the separation from the Father so that we wouldn’t have to.
If “He Himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By His wounds you have been healed.” and the only dying I have to do is “die to sin” and live to and in His righteousness, why in the world would I ever want to so dishonor Him that I would revert to saying, “Jesus, you really didn’t get the job done in dying in my place. I am going to dishonor that great sacrifice by insisting that I still have to die.”
The whole Romans 8:1-11 passage makes it clear that He is talking about our mortal bodies. (That’s not our resurrection bodies. It’s the body where when you pinch it real hard, it hurts.) In verse 11 He says it is the same Spirit of God Who raised Christ Jesus from the dead Who will give life to our mortal bodies through His Spirit which dwells in us.
Peter, may God give you the anointing to preach this so powerfully that you raise up a generation of not only healed people, but a generation of people whom the devil can’t kill! For a privileged few, the devil can be the means of martyrdom, but there is absolutely no Scriptural way He has any authority to kill us with disease and old age.
Sure, we will continue to be attacked with all kinds of disease and infirmities (it gets harder to run a 4-minute mile every year) :-) But what are Overcomers for?
May God put this banner over your ministry from here on out:
The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has Set Me Free from the Law of Sin and Death !
Bob
~ Huntsville, Arkansas, USA
There are only two unforgivable sins. One is to be unable to forgive another. Because if we don’t; God will not forgive us. This is in the Lord’s prayer. Second to have known God and then to say that their is no God. We must stop trying to make long list of sins and rating them. Let God do the judging!
Thanks for your Blog. Agape Love, Pastor Anita
Pastor Anita
~ Casey, Illinois, USA
I agree that the original sin is detachment from God. A thought came to me that all the blessings we enjoy in life comes through ‘obedience’ so therefore the original sin has got to be ‘disobedience’.
Rosalind
~ Saint Michael, Barbados
i look at it this way god greated man and woman to greate inother words to have babys god told me when i fall he takes me up in his arms i have a vision of that and he hugs me tight and kisses my head then he puts me back on the potters wheel and makes me the way he wats me to be i dont look to people who curse me god told me people who curse people are not saved i am not penetoscal i am united i understand what you are talking about ok carolyn
Carolyn
~ Happy Valley, Newfoundland, Canada
Thank you Pastor Peter, You have very accurately and succinctly identified mankind’s universal “root problem” which is that, as you put it, our “estrangement” and subsequent alienation from our Creator God, who is, Love!. Jesus, our Messiah, by His offering of Himself at the cross of Calvary,has most wonderfully dealt with that alienation and estrangement we were all made subject to because of our original parent’s (Adam & Eve)decision. Praise God that we as believers, have been restored to a vital and living relationship with our Father God.
John
~ Brampton, Ontario, Canada
Really beautiful how you describe “God is Love”...The Divine Dance… yes, God, Love, Divine…Father, Son, Holy Spirit… bring tears to my eyes because from the heart of God, only, is Love for His creation, He wants to be with us, talk with us, walk with us, His heart is yearning to hear from us to call on Him…Abba Father…He is over religions, colors, languages, races…He sees straight to our heart, He only wants that you love Him as He loves you. Jesus in John 15 and John 17 speak really clear about “The Divine Dance”...as you said.
Teresa
~ Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Mademba
~ Kenya, Nairobi, Africa
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Arthur
~ New Delhi, India
Gr8 article.
Bright
~ Norway
awesome pastor peter,
i fully agree with you.about the divine dance of the triune God,and i am so priviledged that God by his sovereign will invited me to join this dancing trio, and imp thng is i cant do anythng abt it. only but cry and laugh and go crazy for his luv that he called me and chosen me like a horrible sinner to be ahumble saint.and same way we and the whole world needs the only saviour to cum and save us.
thanks 4 breaking the backbone of legalism so that we can see our self in the nectre grace and grace of God.
luv you pastor peter
michael
Michael
~ Delhi, India
A practical concern that seems to be constantly overlooked. Many people have been wounded by the sins or wrong of others (eg childhood abuse, for example). We know this has many practical implications ... in fact, we know that the neurological connections in the brain are changed by these early experiences and people often struggle with the effects for many years. Many Christians seem to be under the mistaken idea that this is simply a problem of ‘unforgiveness’ ... but people can bear these wounds and not be ‘unforgiving’ to the people who harmed them. We can have a long-standing physical injury from a drunk driver and not be stuck in unforgiveness, but still have the problems arising from the physical injury. It seems like many Christians use the idea of forgiveness as “corban”, saying “God has forgiven me and you need to” or “If you bring up this issue, then you have not forgiven me” ... simply trying to use a religious concept to avoid dealing with the practical consequence of their actions. It seems to me that Christ would listen to the wounds of others, since listening and acknowledging the wrong and doing something to show love and help restore that person’s trust would be the heart of God for healing the one who was wounded. It seems to me that many Christians try to push everything into “it’s just between you and God” when they have done harm to others ... rather than becoming the instrument for healing the wounds they have caused. I’ve seen evangelical church board blame the child (or family of the child) who was sexually abused by a church volunteer in their Sunday school for struggling with the wounds of the abuse ... saying the problem was they had “not forgiven’ when in fact they were struggling with the practical consequences and not stuck in anger nor focused on punishment for the perpetrator. I wonder if this comes out of a naive notion that everything gets fixed in prayer and private connection with God ... miracles happen sometimes ... but not everything is miraculously healed in prayer ... people need to work through stuff with people ... as parents, we expect and teach our children to work through problems with each other ... surely God as our father would expect us to do our part with each other ... can’t recall any minister ever speaking to this issue and also modeling it in their relationship to the congregation ... surely people can live out mercy and grace to each other ... theoretically, God is in us doing this so why doesn’t it happen? (or only in rare situations) ... Peter, where have you seen this happen (as an ongoing community charactistic and not a one-time exception by an unusual person of faith) and what were the factors that created that environment?
David
~ Calgary, Alberta, Canada
I can identify with the divine dance and although the trinity is one of the most difficult to explain, when you say God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit helps instill this but how do you explain that every person has the spirit of God in them….is this the spirit of the Holy Ghost or is this the spirit of Jesus or of the Trinity of all being one…..I am one of those who suffer from mental illness and indeed have found that my faith has been truly tested as one can easily endure feelings of exaltation and feelings of sainthood to sinner…..with the increase in this illness it is very important that we have a clear picture of faith and not one that we can distort in the workings of our own mixed up mind…..perhaps this pertains to all in smaller measures….with much love for all God has done in my life…
I give Him thanks for pastors like you and your ministries.
Thank you…..With many good wishes….Joan
Joan
~ Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Flower
~ Sindh, Pakistan
May I correct your siuqteon; it is not Apostolic Churches who baptize in the name of Jesus, but non apostolic churches. Apostolic churches (Catholic, Orthodox etc) baptize as Jesus commanded (Matthew 28: 19). Protestants and Pentecostals have invented this new baptism which is anti-scriptural. Since they do everything against the word of God, this is no surprise. While Jesus commanded to pray in silence, they shout and blabber in the name of prayers. While Jesus commanded to do the will of his father to attain salvation, they teach that just faith in Jesus is enough for salvation. Don’t marvel at their teachings for they do not represent God, but Devil in disguise.
Blessing
~ Saint Petersburg, Russia
Awesome blog.
It is interesting, Christian religion as well as the other abrahmic religions (Islam and Judaism) are subtly built on sex and sexism. Come to think of it. It is amazing….
Life began in God not in sin. I personally don’t think that there was an original sin. but, original sinner.
Hagere
~ Toronto, Ontario, Canada